"Well, and I don't blame you for that at all. Of course I don't. That's why I said if that's something we can believe, because the way I see it, why would we believe that?" Where's the proof, the confirmation that it's actually the way things are?

"Have you ever spoken to any of the people who are supposedly running this place?" He's heard mentions of them being around, and occasionally speaking to people, but nothing of significance has ever come out of his conversations with them.