entrancelogs | merry christmas; i could care less [ open ]

He shouldn't be surprised that the Mirror's a capable enough actor to pull it off. He could pull of Jay with no problems. What is he so afraid of? That someone might be listening? It's an old fear, old enough to prickle at Tim's instincts and allow him to play along with no arguments.

He sprints for the door. Down the stairs, out through the entrance hall. When they're outside, proper, he'll let the Mirror catch up, like his initial burst of adrenaline started to flag.

The little man can run fast. Jay barely to restrain himself as he follows behind.

(Granted, the fact that running is an entirely new experience for him--and that he finds himself stumbling on the staircase like a newborn deer--shouldn't necessarily be discounted.)

Once they're outside, a few yards from the Mansion and farther from the previous location of the Rabbit Hole, Jay allows himself to catch his breath. He checks over his shoulder; nobody's close enough to listen in.

It's cold, cold enough that he can see his breath fogging in the air. And it's colorful. The forest isn't right, but it's there, Real and thick and painted instead of a dull greyscale.

Finally, he tears his attention away, turning to Tim with a thin smile.

"Now, about the Queen--" He cuts himself off, still breathing heavily. "You say she didn't make us. Why?"

“Because I asked.” He’s breathing a little heavily, but now that they’re clear of...whatever the mirror thinks they’re clear of, they can both speak a little more frankly. Their breath chills in the air, white puffs curling out of adrenalized lungs. The Mirror is impressively, unnervingly uncoordinated. Does he never run, on his side of the glass?

“Who do you think is watching, anyway?”

Jay internally debates how he should word his answer for a moment, but the desire to preen wins out. His smile widens. “Me.”

After a pause for effect, he continues.

“But if the footage exists, then someone else might watch it.” He clears his throat, still worn from his offended-toy-soldier routine. “If it’s not on camera, then I won’t have to cut it. Making those cuts look seamless is harder than it looks.”

He refuses to let Tim drag him off-track, though, fun as it is to show off.

“Now, who did you ask?”

He makes a mental note of that - scour the Real side for cameras and bugs of any kind, once this is over. The effort and time it must have taken to plant them means it’ll have to be a significant setback to have that all dismantled - especially since crossing over is such a risky endeavor.

He plays the skepticism; eyebrows lifted, dry. “You.”

Tim folds his arms across his chest.

“If you’re always watching, wouldn’t you already know?”

He very nearly explains: The security cameras have weak microphones. They’re only on the Mirror side (for now), with the exception of the weatherproof bug planted near the former Rabbit Hole. Some unused rooms aren’t currently being monitored.

He catches himself, however. If none of the Reals know the limitations of his current surveillance system, he could be anywhere. Or, even better, they could assume he has blind spots that don’t exist and let something slip in full view of the cameras.

“Humor me.” And, in case he needs proof that Jay is watching at all, he adds a small aside. “Nice to see you using your birthday present, by the way. The Real me would be touched.”

“What kind of liar would I be if I showed my hand?” He’s aiming to keep Jay alive, as per usual, but that doesn’t mean he’s liable to trust him right out of the gate. Caring and trust seldom go hand in hand for people like them. They both know that full well.

He is a liar. Always has been.

“You know me better than that.”

Now, that’s just cruel, dangling information over his head like that just to tug it away. Then again, he’s a Tim.

“I do.”

He snorts, visibly frustrated. “So you believe the Queen of Hearts wasn’t the one who made us. Did your mystery informant tell you who did?”

He says they would have existed with or without her, but he has no parents but the Real Jay’s, and those memories are patchy as it is. He wasn’t born. So he must have been made.

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Sorry, Jay. Wanting to help doesn't mean a guarantee of trust and a surrendering of everything he knows. If it did, he'd be screwed a hell of a long time ago.

"We did."

He taps at the center of his chest, to indicate the whole of himself, and shrugs.

"You're...extensions of us. I guess that means that when we're here, you're here. You exist because we do."

No. No, that’s bullshit. The Reals are just—they’re just people, they can’t—

When a Real thing goes home, the Mirrors never stay. They disappear at precisely the same time.

When a man steps away from the mirror, he continues on with his life, but his reflection doesn’t go anywhere. It ceases to exist.

Maybe he’s taking the metaphor too far. Wonderland follows rules, but the rules are its own.

(But it fits. It fits.)

(~~He just wants to go home.~~)

“If Her Majesty just...stopped...would anything change?” It comes out flat, blank, barely a question.

"I dunno." That one's an honest answer, at least. "I just...you're a part of this world. Like, this representation of our connection to it. She makes you dependent on her, but it doesn't have to be that way."

It doesn't have to be like this.

Echoes of words he called out to another man, fleeing through the hallways of his childhood with a tiny flip-knife in hand, as if that would be enough against a gun.

Please, god.

Please.

Let him be capable of saving something.

Tim’s words are both fascinating and cloyingly sentimental. They don’t have to live like this. All they need to do is simultaneously agree to live another way that will satisfy everyone. Simple as that.

“You’re saying we could live like you.” Jay lifts an eyebrow. “Kowtowing to a different queen.”

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"Yeah, okay. If you wanna pretend those are the only two options, sure." He's being deliberately obstinate, he knows, but that's kinda what happens when you're told that your entire existence has been shaped by a set of standards that never needed to apply in the first place. Not a great feeling, huh?

Yeah. He'd know.

Fine. He's being petty, simplifying it to two options because it's easier to take potshots at the Reals that way. This is absolutely why he's doing it and not because the sheer number of paths branching out from the moment the Queen is deposed, spiraling and splitting like some vast fractal, is a terrifying thing to consider. Paralyzing.

He can't plan ahead for something like this. He can gather information, prepare for the worst, and hunker down in a corner to protect himself, but that's far from foolproof. He needs to keep himself safe. He needs to keep the footage safe. And, if it's not too much of an inconvenience, he'd prefer to keep dear Tim Wrong safe as well. The greater their numbers, the greater chance they have of being acknowledged, of being given further instructions, of hearing the static buzzing in the back of their skulls spike and whine and speak.

He needs to get out here when things aren't so...festive.

"It's easy for a thing like you to suggest revolution." Did he say thing? He meant person, clearly. "You've got no stakes in it. Could go a hundred thousand different ways, could end up with us half dead or three-quarters dead or more, but it won't touch you."

He fidgets with the camera, prodded by a latent urge to switch it back on.

"Not to say I'm not interested."

"Not sure if you know this," says Tim, dryly, "but the Queen of Hearts isn't real fond of us Reals, either. We're not invulnerable to her. She can still make our lives hell."

And she does, doesn't she? She sends the Mirrors out to do her dirty work and steal things like pills to the point where he has to convince a literal child that they really do belong to him before he'll give them the fuck back - but not before he's seized and made an ass of himself by running around with a mask on at night like an absolute lunatic.

"I'm not saying it'd be easy. I'm just saying that it's possible. I'm saying it doesn't have to be the way it is."

And that's not completely unreasonable.

(Assuming he's telling the truth, which...ha.)

Regardless, he appears to have someone on the Real side who wants him safe, which is definitely useful. He can leverage this.

"Whatever happens next, we'll have to keep it quiet."

"'Cause we're both so chatty?" He lifts his eyebrows, half a mild taunt and half a bite of amused commentary. Since when have either of them been anything but the obstinate victims of their own paranoia? Since when have they kept shit like this anywhere but off the books?

Though there is one small question. One small barrier he can't shrug aside.

"Does that include my, uh...better half over there?"

"Yes," he says, a little too quickly.

The less Tim knows about Jay's involvement, the better. The less Tim knows about anyone's involvement, the better. Jay admits the same could be said for himself, but if anyone's going to turn over a list of traitors to the Queen, he'd much rather he be the one with the list than one of the names on it.

"I think he'd...benefit from the results," Jay continues delicately. "Might even sympathize with the cause. But..."

He gestures aimlessly. You know.

"Yeah," says Tim, heavily. "I know."

He's not an easy man to trust. Neither of them are. They didn't make themselves out to be, and they still aren't buying themselves any favors with either Jay in terms of words. In terms of actions?

Well, in terms of actions, maybe they're all learning a thing or two about where Tim's loyalties lie.

"Are you in touch with your, uh...the Real you? At all?"

"Not yet."

Not technically. Peering over Tim's shoulder as he scrawled warnings on the glass doesn't count. Contact by proxy.

"I've seen him, though." Through hours and hours and days and weeks of video, as well as the occasional brief visit to the glass itself. "Why?"

"Just curious, I guess." Yeah, right. Like that's liable to fly. "I just...it's good to know where everyone stands."

In terms of everyone else, Mirrors and otherwise. If he has it out for the Real Jay, then - well. That complicates things in a rather significant sense, huh?

Just curious. Sure he is.

"What do you mean by that?" He tries to make it sound as genuine as he can.

He has a guess as to what Tim's up to.

Tim's mirror enjoys poking and prodding at the Reals, seeing how they react. Tim wants to know if Jay's been toying with his own ~~waste of space~~ Real thing the same way, given that he's got an inexplicable soft spot for the idiot. Tim wants to figure out who's worth protecting and who's worth a black eye in the parking lot of Wendy's.

(Not that those categories are mutually exclusive.)

"You're a smart guy. You can probably figure that out." Yeah, that's not gonna be real good on the Mirror's paranoia - the paranoia he's certain that he must have, if he's got this place camera'd and bugged and rigged up so he can keep watch over them all. God, and who's to say Tim's own Mirror isn't doing the same?

Would they be capable of doing the same? They can cross over whenever, this holiday, can't they?

Would that be expected of them?

Jay lets out a small huff of air through his nose. Of course he'd cut it off there. He's a Tim. If lightly pressuring him for information worked, ever, at all, the whole mess back ~~home~~ would have gone a lot more smoothly.

At least this Tim's noticed his relative intelligence. Reflects well on his own.

"Hey." Jay finally breaks the silence. "You never answered my question from before."

There's crunching in the ice behind them, rustling across the candy-coated leaves, people crossing in twos and threes, wrapped up in thick parkas and scarves. None of it's close enough to matter.

He runs his free hand across the smooth, cold metal of the camcorder. The light's not on.

"Do you know what happens when people like us--" He touches his own chest before gesturing to Tim's. "--die?"

Should've asked on his behalf, shouldn't he? Maybe he can put that down for one to ask the Red Queen, come the I.O.U. one interview he promised George and Shaun and Jay and Alphys. He did promise them that.

"I don't know," he says honestly. "I don't...I'm not sure. We hear conflicting stories about that. People who get Unmade. People who come back. People who don't. It's hard to know which one's the real story."

Or the Real story.

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