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* Despite everything, it's still you. ([personal profile] determinedest) wrote in [community profile] entrancelogs2016-04-09 09:39 pm

you're not broken, just a little bit chipped 'round the edge [closed]

Who: Frisk and Sans
Where: The Rabbit Hole
When: 4/09, after this conversation
Rating: PG but tbd since this might get heavy
Summary: The last event was a MESS, everyone's emotions are a MESS, and now Frisk is trying to fix it.
The Story:

True to their word, Frisk shows up at the diner, the Worn Dagger in their pocket. It feels uncomfortably like expecting a quiet conversation to abruptly break out into a brawl when every encounter with Sans has been nothing but utterly placid, for the most part, but they also don't want to break their promise to Chara. Hence, right now their pocket is the safest place for the Dagger to be.

It's not technically the weapon that killed Undyne, but it feels close. It might as well be. They'd apologized to her as best as they could too, even if what happened was only peripherally their fault.

It's time to start turning over a new leaf. Stop wallowing in guilt, and start doing something about it. That's what reaching out to Sans was all about. That, and they're not one hundred percent on that, but they feel like a lot of what they said those past few days could have really hurt him. He might be good at hiding it, but - but they were callous and cruel, right to his face. And that's something they're going to have to address, like it or not.

The place is empty when they get there, so they slip into the nearest table and wait.
punful: (but i didn't have the backbone for it)

[personal profile] punful 2016-04-14 08:13 am (UTC)(link)
Sans is...at a loss.

He's not good at this. He's never been good at comforting people, knowing what to say. He's not even sure that comforting Frisk is what they really want or need right now. Sometimes you just can't handle it, can't see it as anything but frustrating, or piteous, or undeserved.

He's given the kid pep talks before. He always does in the better timelines, but it's not like he ever really gets those right, either. It's not exactly helpful to drop hints, imply at something darker, or just outright tell them that he'd have killed them the instant he saw them if not for that stupid promise.

It's not even really a promise. Not in the way she meant it to be. He watches the kid, but doesn't exactly watch over them. He doesn't protect them. It was more a sort of...compromise. Letting the kid make their own choices, giving them a chance to do the right thing. Giving them dozens of chances to do the right thing.

It's even a pun. Compromise.

Or maybe it's just an excuse for being lazy. So he doesn't have to help the kid fight their way through the Underground, so he doesn't have to kill a child right away. The problem is that by the time he meets the human, it's already too late. People have already died, the timeline has already been corrupted--or it hasn't yet, and the world is just holding its breath, locked for the time being in a neutral state, always on the verge of tipping one way or the other.

It's all just too complicated, too varied. Too difficult to think about and come to any kind of decision. Easier to just sit back and watch and wait.

This is what happens when people like me take it easy.

He wonders which timeline he said that in.

Sans folds his hands on the table.

"but we're friends now. right? here. and back in my timeline. soon it'll reset but...i've kinda just learned to live in the here and now. cause if you try to apply the logic of countless timelines to just one moment...well, you can't do it. it's too much. so. for now."

He closes his eyesockets briefly.

"for now, we're friends. for now, things aren't so bad. everyone's alive again. the event's over. this stuff's probably gonna affect everyone for awhile but. well, hey. nothing lasts forever. nothing at all. and, i dunno. that's not too bad once you get used to it."
punful: (what do you call a skeleton in the rain?)

[personal profile] punful 2016-04-15 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
He smiles a little. Of course not. Of course telling the Determined human that they have to accept something, that things are how they are, is just going to lead to resistance. They wouldn't be Frisk if they didn't try to reject the status quo, the seemingly inevitable.

"yeah. i mean. what else can we do?"

People like Frisk, and Papyrus and Undyne as well--they can fight and fight and fight against something, throw everything they are against the walls of reality until either they break or reality does. Maybe it's a little foolish, but it's also incredibly admirable. But Sans just doesn't have that kind of energy. He tires out too quickly.

"but, you know. acceptance isn't the same as giving up. it's just. telling yourself you're gonna live with how things are. try to make individual moments a little better. i dunno. i just don't see much point in worrying about things that are inevitable. but maybe that's just me."

Sans is pretty okay with how things are now, here. Whatever happens happens. Everything is always only temporary, after all. There's a lot of freedom in just enjoying the fact that you were lucky enough to have something so fleeting and temporary. The past is the past, and other timelines are other timelines.

"i think it'll be okay, kid."
punful: (it's going tibia okay)

[personal profile] punful 2016-04-17 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
He sips his hot cocoa, pleased that Frisk seems to be calming down a little. He's feeling a little better about all this himself. Not great, but better. It'll do.

His expression is mostly neutral as Frisk explains what they want to do. Perhaps his eyesockets close just slightly. If that's what Frisk wants to do, then that's what they're going to do. At this point it's not like it'll make things much worse.

"up to you, kid. might...even be for the best. heh. had to get into all of that with papyrus the other day. i'm just so used to keeping it a secret."

It feels weird to talk about it. Dangerous. Pointless, of course. Sans is sure there must have been timelines where he either told the others or they found out. It never ended up mattering in the long run, but he wishes he knew whether it mattered in the short run. He knows that most of the time, people just don't believe him.

"though maybe..." He lowers his voice. "you might wanna leave out the part about asriel. just...you know. in case toriel or the king ever show up. i don't know if that's something those two would...want to know."
punful: (skullking around)

[personal profile] punful 2016-04-17 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
"wasn't really your fault. you weren't thinking. but i'm sorry, kid. if i could forget it, i would."

There's a lot he would forget if he could. Just take some steel wool and scrub the inside of his skull until it's all gone, until he can just be Sans, whoever the hell that is. Sans without a lab in his basement, without the awareness of timelines, without feeling the stumbling sensation of a Load or a Reset.

Sans sans.

Heh. Funny.

"he did? ah. i see."

On the one hand, good riddance. The flower isn't Asriel. The flower has done exactly what Frisk and Chara have done--but unlike Frisk, and maybe unlike Chara, the flower is incapable of regret. Incapable of feeling anything.

But on the other hand, that's going to make things very dangerous if the flower ever shows up here again.
punful: (but i didn't have the backbone for it)

[personal profile] punful 2016-04-18 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
Just like Sans is destined to know things he doesn't want to. Or at least that's how it would be if he believed in fate.

"i...can imagine."

He might not have been technically Asriel, but the flower still remained a real connection to Chara's past. Proof that they had once truly been human, had tried to do good--had once had hope.

Sans can hear the hesitation in Frisk's voice. Another thing they feel they need to be cautious talking about. It's understandable. Chara doesn't seem to like it much when people point out that there's humanity left in them.

yeah. makes sense."
punful: (skullking around)

[personal profile] punful 2016-04-19 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
Sans makes a face, though it's not directed at Frisk. He's staring into his cocoa.

"yeah, i know. trust me, i know."

Simple numbers. Simple math. Reach a particular number and the anomaly can no longer be reasoned with. Sans tries all the same, but it makes no difference. Never does.

"makes sense, i guess. this place doesn't seem to like external forces messing with it. at least not permanently. as long as they can save, they'll be able to retain whatever LOVE they gain."
punful: (wanna know what my name means?)

[personal profile] punful 2016-04-19 02:59 am (UTC)(link)
Something occurs to him, far too late. Something he should have thought about days ago.

It hasn't been lost on him that all the people here from the Underground aren't necessarily from his Underground. Papyrus certainly isn't. Chara isn't. Alphys doesn't seem to be. That implies that Frisk and Undyne might not be, either. It also implies that every single one of them could be from slightly different timelines.

And it isn't until now that he realizes what that could mean.

"frisk."

Something about the questions they're asking, the way they're asking them. Sans knew how dangerous Chara could be the moment he found out they were in Wonderland. And if he's honest, Frisk is the same way. It's an endless supply of LOVE. Five deaths, and presumably even more beyond that. Some hundred or so people here. Bad timeline after bad timeline, except that here, all that LOVE and EXP is cumulative. It keeps increasing until...

He looks up at Frisk.

"there's a limit. at least we--i think there is. there's a point at which...well. at least that's how it is back home. it might be different here. but, uh. frisk, i have to ask."

Sans grips his hands, fingers laced together, thumbs fidgeting.

"i was talking to chara the other day and i learned something. they've never gotten past me. i guess that's the point wonderland decided to take them from. so, they haven't seen anything that happens afterward. but i gotta ask--and i'm not judging, since, heh, from my perspective this has already been answered. but, uh.

do you remember if you've ever killed me?"
punful: (but i didn't have the backbone for it)

[personal profile] punful 2016-04-19 06:21 am (UTC)(link)
They say it, and there it is. Just like that.

They've never killed him.

They and Chara. They've never gotten past the golden hallway. They've never Erased the world, only to set it back again. And again, and again.

The whole time, he's been thinking of Frisk and Chara in those terms, as an anomaly who has done literally everything, up to and including Erasing entire worlds. Yet he can't judge them that way, because it's not true of this Frisk and this Chara.

His hand trails to his chest, one finger idly tracing a line, across and down.

It makes sense. He could almost laugh. He's the one who remembers things that others don't, after all.

"okay."

Okay.

He takes a breath.

"sounds about right. the two of you from the same timeline, but different points in it." He remembers Frisk saying they'd come from after the barrier came down, once everyone was on the Surface. Or maybe he's misremembering, or Frisk was lying. Doesn't matter.

"20. that seems to be the limit. some reports suggest that there's a number far, far beyond that but those reports...they don't make too much sense. they tend to contradict each other."

They come from the middling timelines, the ones that are in-between. Something big happens, though Sans has no idea what. Whatever it is, it completely skews all the data, turns it into a nonsensical jumble.

"that seems to be a unique event, though. something a bit different from the anomaly, but still kind of...really messes up the timeline. so i don't know if that's achievable by, uh. conventional means. and if that's the case, if chara were to just gain LOVE by killing...it would just be 20."

He snorts a little. There's something that's both calming and existentially horrible to be able to quantify your own life. To know that there's an exact number for how much you're worth. Enough to make the jump from 19 to 20.

He won't say that out loud, though. That's way too morbid.

"so. for now, considering wonderland probably doesn't want something to exist that could break it to pieces...i'd say 20 is all this place would allow. it's enough to do a lot of damage. it's enough that there's no coming back after that."

He pauses.

"don't...tell chara about this. or...actually. if you want to, go ahead. won't ask you to keep a secret. i figure there's been too many of those. heh. though that's real hypocritical of me to say."
punful: (it's going tibia okay)

[personal profile] punful 2016-04-20 06:21 am (UTC)(link)
Back home, the anomaly was simply Frisk. Before that there was the flower, but the flower never brought about the sort of total end that the true anomaly did. Sans just assumed it was always Frisk, or just something that happened to look like Frisk. Here, well. Here he knows better.

He shrugs at the comment.

"everything has a limit. worlds, timelines, people. it's basic physics. something can't keep growing and growing forever. eventually something has to give. everything breaks down after awhile."

Entropy. Things slow down, break down, decay, end. It's just the natural order.

"heh. there's never really a point. even erasing doesn't have a point. they've said they want to erase themselves, but they can't. though i don't think they believe me." He polishes off his hot cocoa. "i'm pretty sure they hate me. it's kinda funny. you'd think it'd be the other way around. that i'd hate them and they just wouldn't care one way or the other about me."

He's not sure which he'd prefer. They might be less inclined to torment him all the time if they just didn't care. But "not caring" would mean they had enough LOVE not to feel something like hate anymore.

Yeah. The hate is probably for the best. It's not like the two of them are ever going to be friends.
punful: (what you got a bone to pick with me?)

[personal profile] punful 2016-04-21 05:04 am (UTC)(link)
"heh. so i've noticed. they keep acting like they can't taste or feel anything. pretty sure it's not true."

In fact, he's almost certain that most of what Chara is is some kind of act or mask or facade. He has to wonder how much of it is conscious--how much of it is some kind of learned response to...to whatever their life must have been like, to lead a person to become like that.

As far as hating Sans is concerned, though, Sans knows that's genuine. Not that he can really blame them, all things considered.

"nah, i guess they didn't. and i doubt there's anyone who knows why they're still around. or why any of this keeps happening. but still. if something ends, then starts over, then it didn't really end in the first place. it just paused."
punful: (sansye shrug)

[personal profile] punful 2016-04-22 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
Sometimes Sans actually does wish that he knew more. Most of the time he wishes in the opposite direction. Being stuck in between--able to remember some of it, but not all of it, everything always vague and hazy--it completely sucks.

"if you trust them with it, i'll trust your judgment."

He doesn't comment on Chara's need to...essentially feel real. Sans gets that. It doesn't need commentary from him.

It would be nice if their method of feeling real and grounded didn't involve a knife, though.

"yeah...it's...heh. i think people instinctively want some kind of...purpose or reason. something easy to define. world doesn't really work like that, though."

Shit just happens. You play the cards you're dealt. Try to make the best of it. Or try at least not to make the worst of it.
punful: (just a lazybones)

[personal profile] punful 2016-04-24 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe Frisk's purpose is to simply be unpredictable. To be an agent of change for the Underground, for better or worse. The seventh human, the seventh soul, the arbiter of their future. Sans knows now that Frisk didn't technically bring the barrier down, but that doesn't really change anything. Frisk's presence, no matter the timeline, changes absolutely everything.

As for Chara, well.

Everything would be so much simpler if it was just one timeline. If things ended when the barrier came down, if Asriel and Chara were finally allowed to rest permanently. It wasn't fair to anyone that those two don't get the sort of ending they require. But everything always Resets, and both of them go right back to wreaking havoc through the Underground.

"yeah, well." Sans props his chin in his hand. "that's the problem with these events. it's not just chara. everyone here can be a threat given the wrong sort of event. they can turn us into people we're not."

He sighs and shrugs.

"but yeah. just gotta deal with it."
punful: (what do you call a skeleton in the rain?)

[personal profile] punful 2016-04-25 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
He considers the question in silence for a minute, looking away from Frisk. He doesn't exactly like making them feel so guilty and nervous, but...

"kinda. i guess. this place is more unpredictable."

Any kind of event. Anything from a sudden influx of cats to everyone turning into an insane killer. In the Underground there was a set number of variables, based mostly on who Frisk interacted with and how.

He shrugs. "it's different when you're not sure what to be preparing for."

When it came to the end, it was always going to be one thing or the other--he would either fight the anomaly or not.

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